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Not instrument rated? You can still log PIC time in the clouds, in certain cases. Here's why...
According to FAR 61.51(e), there are four ways you can log pilot in command (PIC) time in your logbook:
Here's where things get confusing. To act as PIC, you have entirely separate requirements. According to FAR 61.3(e), in order to act as PIC under IFR or in weather less than VFR, you must hold:
When you fly with a CFI or CFII, you can log PIC time during your instrument training when you're the sole manipulator of the controls. As long as you're rated for the aircraft, you're allowed to log the time. You're not rated in an airplane until you hold a pilot's certificate, which means you'll need to be more than a student pilot.
Under FAR 61.51(d)(3), a CFI can always log PIC time when they're serving as the authorized instructor (when rated in the aircraft). Because of this, both you and your instructor are allowed to log PIC time during training flights, even in the clouds.
Some pilots recommend to not log PIC time when you're not the final authority for the airplane. This would mean that unless you're acting as PIC, you wouldn't log PIC time that's limited to the "sole manipulator of the controls" definition.
If you're pursuing an ATP certificate, there are numerous PIC flight time requirements. Any loggable PIC time may be used to fulfill these requirements, including PIC time when you're receiving training. This means PIC time you log with a CFI on board can be used towards your ATP certificate.
Do you log PIC time when you're flying with a CFI? Tell us in the comments below.